So context.
I remembered asking my friend (who becomes the N in this dialogue) regarding the below question. I have no intention in mind to talk about the nature of loving, for this matter is repeated ad nauseam by the sophists our age. What I had in mind was to gain the attention of the audience by talking a topic familiar to them, which one of them happened to be love. I also think that it is apt to relate speculation regarding the Forms, Souls and soul under the topic of love for the act of birth itself is a symbol of love. No matter whether we knew who gave birth to us or not, or how she treated us after that, the fact still stands that we have been carried inside her for 9 months.
The new style of writing in dialogue I acquired after reading Plato's Complete Work (but only up to and before Protagoras). I have found out that eventhough the line of questioning would restricts the field of investigation, it nevertheless carried a certain weight in learning the flow of arguments. It is sad that in our age, intellectual activity has been focused only brute memorizing of facts and statistics rather than the art of developing arguments. But, anyway, consider me as a newbie in this style of writing, there must be some correction to the crude line of questioning et cetera. I have also included a brief discussion and summary at the end of the dialogue to help digesting this "On Love" essay.
S: Do you think there’s such thing as a Platonic love?
N: What kind of Platonic love are you speaking, Sidi?
S: What I mean by Platonic love is the philosophical kind, not of the kind people speak of today.
N: And what is the layman’s version of Platonic love you spoke of?
S: The people spoke of Platonic love with at least two versions on their mind. The first is where two mutual persons love each other without any sexual relationship whatsoever, and this is what most of the people believe of. The second is a relationship, whether mutual or unreciprocated love, with no sexual relationship too.
N: What’s the difference between the two?
S: The former, my friend, is what the people universally understood to. But the second we see much more frequent in the philosophical and spiritual persons. An example would be the love of Dante for her saviour, Beatrice. Though Dante can never possess Beatrice (and neither she him) due to her untimely death, his love for Beatrice longs on, immortalised in the Divine Comedy we read today.
N: And I suspect you had another idea of Platonic love in mind aside from these two?
S: Unfortunately yes, we can never hinder people from misnomers. Even the linguists believe that the many kinds of languages branched off from their mother-tongues through bastardisation of words and concepts. The original meaning of Platonic love, is the love for the Forms, instead of the material that fashioned after the Forms. In people’s tongue, we frequently hear them talking of love for itself, in contrast with the love for her physical attributes, for an example. And so, I’m asking you whether this kind of love noble people speaking of exists.
N: I see. But what is the Forms, firstly?
S: The Forms, my friend, is the mass rather than qualities. When we knocked the table, we learnt of its hardness, and hardness is obviously a quality of the table rather than it being the table itself. We obviously can never infer of the hardness of the table without our sensory apparatus. The qualities also are of dependent identities, for it require the mass to manifest itself, and its birth are known by us, as I said, through our senses. To wit, we never see “hardness” or “colour” floating around independently, for this is absurd.
N: And so, what is its relation to our current discussion?
S: Be patient with me, my friend, for I am slow and ignorant. Do you know that people always said that they love their partner for their souls? Do you think they mean the soul as a visible or invisible entity?
N: Invisible, obviously!
S: But please kindly see my confusion. You say that the soul is an invisible entity. Do you feel or cognise the existence of the soul?
N: Why, of course!
S: With the same certainty you know that you are standing on the ground?
N: Even more, for the soul is the most intimate thing a person can have!
S: Of course, but see, you yourself said that the certainty of owning the soul is the same as you know that you are stepping on the ground, and you know this by the sensation of stepping on the ground, the firmness of the soil, am I right?
N: Yes.
S: So you are saying that you know the existence of soul by sensory perception, the same way you know you are stepping on the ground by sensation given by your feet?
N: By God, are we then facing a contradiction, for if we know the existence of soul with the same certainty of external sensation, then the soul would not be an invisible entity, but a visible one? But this, too, is absurd!
S: Peace, my friend, we have discussed on the nature of souls in another occasion. But let me tell you this, how do you know that you are a diligent person. Say yes to either of these two choices. Firstly, do you know that you are a diligent person when you introspect yourself and found an entity within with the quality of diligence, or, secondly, you know that you are a diligent person when you saw your room, your surroundings are all kept in an orderly manner?
N: When you put it that way, it would be the second.
S: And when you are, say, chased by a dog, you know yourself running from the dog as “I-am-running-from-the-dog”, instead of looking from a vantage point that “I-am-running-from-the-dog”?
N: I can’t understand. What’s the difference between the two.
S: The difference is that, in the first occasion, you know yourself running from the dog within the picture of a world, so to speak, from external sensation. While, on the second occasion, you know that you are running from the dog from a distance, isolated from the external world.
N: Ah, so it would be the first occasion.
S: You agreed with me, because no matter how hard you close your eyes and search within, you can’t find any miniature of you, and moreover, the best findings you can feel is you tripped up upon an invisible something, as Kant said.
N: Perhaps.
S: And so, the only way you know the most intimate part of you, that is what we called as the soul, from experience. And by experience, we mean, sensual experience.
N: Yes.
S: And thus, the human body is the best picture of human soul.
N: It seems so.
S: And we have, perhaps, sufficiently showed that the best way to get into a serial killer’s mind is not by introspection, but by examining the trails he left.
N: Yes.
S: And so, this is the meaning of soul we have arrived. And the soul, it seems, still remains a product of sensuous experience. Furthermore, the shape of the soul, so to speak, acquire a degree of concreteness when we remembered an episode in the past in order to prove that we have the quality of diligence. And this is the function of memory, no?
N: Yes, memory. And memory registers in our mind as an experience first and then deposited within. Memory, remains, a collection, a compendium of sensuous experience.
S: Splendid. So the soul, in the past, present, and thus future, remains through and through a sensuous entity.
N: But, Sidi, aren’t we bothering on heresy for saying that the soul is material?
S: My friend, these are subtle subjects we are talking of. It is a sign of a lazy mind to quickly subject a discussion into a classification. If you get what I was hinting of, which I have elaborated somewhere else, the unity of sensual experience we called soul is through and through material, and no material can stand without a perceiver. And, so the soul as material unity is perceived by the Soul of abstraction, if we are to make everything coherent. But this Soul, could only be conceived in abstraction, we have neither the knowledge nor the apparatus to divine this entity.
N: What is then the relation of these to our talk?
S: We then perhaps have sufficiently explained that when the noble people speak of loving their lovers for their souls, they either mean this or they commit a contradiction. And we have also shown that even these still roamed in the sphere of the sensuous, and we have explained that the true meaning of Platonic love can’t be found here. It is important for us to get this right for these poor noble people might lose every of his lover in confusion for this fallacious thinking. For he was thinking that the soul is a rigid and complete entity, while every moment of his lover breathes in longing for him in the night, her soul (or, indeed the sum of experiences) increases. Love is not rigid and written at the stars, it is an active process, an eternal wonder and awe-struckness of the evermore colours, horizons and frontiers of his loved ones.
N: That is an apt description of love.
S: I hope so. And so, Platonic love in the purest meaning can’t be found here. And so, my friend, if there’s there the sensible there must be the non-sensible. And the sensible in general possessed outwardness, while its opposite thought looked inwards. Now this process of inwardness consists of at least three forms, rumination, thinking and contemplation. The first two still hovers around the edges of the sensible sphere, while the second not.
N: Do tell us more of this division.
S: That I would do gladly. Thinking involves the ordering of spatial material in a non-spatial field, that is inside our minds. It is here that we order the manifolds of experiences into types, genera et cetera. What differs it from rumination, is thinking is a proper work, in physics terms, that it produces results. Even if there is wrong ordering of the spatial inside our minds, it still liable to be called as results. Rumination, unfortunately, more often than not, do not involve any process of ordering. Rumination is a vicious cycle and produces no results at all. Contemplation, on the other hand, involves in abstracting the abstract. What I mean is that what we mean by thinking as an example would be holding this image of apple inside our minds. Thinking also involves us analysing the qualities of the image, a process of abstraction. Here we abstract from it the qualities of redness, smoothness and sweetness. The abstraction of the abstract is to further dissociate these qualities from its masses, and perceive the Form itself.
N: This is very hard to comprehend.
S: It should be, it is for this reason, the contemplation of Forms are a noble activity, untouched by the masses and comprehended by the very few. Imagine if everyone possess the understanding of the Forms, that is to love is to love the Forms, won’t every hostilities and enmity among people stopped, for every each of us share these Forms. And it is this Forms that allow us to exist, as the clay pot can only exist if there is a mould of it. And to love the Forms is to love the Former, for if there is the clay pot, there must be tradesman who built it. And as the clay pot cannot be the same with its maker, there stood a clear distinction from cause and effect. and here is your God.
N: It seems so. But, my friend, would not this mean that if everything and everyone shares the same kind of Forms i.e. the mass, would not everything reduced into a unity? And if there’s unity waiting us at the end of abstracting the abstract, does it mean that we love everything and everyone? Is this worthy to be called as love, for love is good?
S: My friend, you have discovered the answer to our question. To love is at its very bottom, is to possess. Could we possess something that is boundless? Certainly not. And at the end of our abstraction of abstraction, we cannot conclude anything except that the Other is one, for to be multiple is to be distinct, and to be distinct is to possess sensual qualities. Therefore, there is no such thing as Platonic love even in this purest terms.
N: By God, so it is impossible to love someone because of its Soul, and on top of it, it is also impossible to love someone because of its Soul of Soul. Why we reached a simple conclusion in such a roundabout and complex way?
S: My friend, everyone knew there is elegance in simplicity, but not many knew the elegance of deriving proofs and arguments. And as we all know, this business of Love is no mere topic, it is a must for us to talk it in a such high and contemplative way, not in a way that I found a sophist talked about love. I remembered I was invited to a talk in one of the universities, and this sophist attended as one of the panel, most people only came just to hear his speech. And the topic is about maintaining toilet cleanliness, but this sophist proceeded talked about love and toilets. Indeed, we have reduced to such pettiness and desperateness to become famous that we even relate love while talking about shit in the toilet!
N: It’s a disgrace, indeed. But enough of these heavy stuffs. I want to ask you, what kind of women do you love?
S: You make me blush talking about this, my friend. I just told you that it is a sign of end of times when people who do not have the qualification go to talk about things they do not know. How can I, the ugliest person among our circles, and perhaps the whole lot of humanity, are able to talk to you about this topic? Go and ask one of those beautiful persons in the market, they might tell you some of their thoughts.
N: Enough of that. It is a simple question and I expect a simple answer.
S: []
N: But you have spoken well, my friend.
And so. The essay concluded with the debunking of two forms of Platonic love proclaimed by sophists and romanticists. Firstly, that we are able to love someone solely due to her soul, and by soul they mean as an abstract entity. As the soul itself is a unified pole of sense-experience, to love as they meant in the first sense would be impossible. How about to love someone as an Ideal, as a Form. The Form, like the mould, precedes the substances thus necessary. But the Form remains aloof from any touch of the physical world, it functioned as the necessary "X" variable for a defined problem. A defined problem might define "X" as a class of numbers, but never a single number. Thus, if to love (in the usual sense), is to gain her/him as an individual rather than a class, it is also impossible to love them as a Form.
But then what leave us as the choice? My aim is to bring down the romanticists from their Icarus sky and also to free the people chained from their own rumination, like Tantalus. Sense-experience, while stands opposite from intellectual qualities, do not stand inferior or morally evil. Besides its the only thing we can gain perception of!